The real UFO debate that has been avoided for over 50 Years

We've been through this before Don, and you couldn't defend your blind faith belief then, so what makes you think you can defend it now?

I submit that there is no such thing as real manufactured UFO type crafts for several validatable and logical reasons:

There is no such thing as human made 'UFO type crafts'

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I see it's time to bring out this old exchange we had once again, Don:

Speaking of selling BS to people...
http://groups.google.com/groups? selm=3666b5d3.817190683%40news.penn.c...

Johnny thinks a shiny rock can make you feel good about yourself!!!

The_Sage,

I think you're correct. Just look at the military/industrial complex (DARPA) which recovered Roswell UFO : http://www.darpa.mil/body/dobdar.html#industry They had DARPATech 2002 Symposium which Transforming Fantasy... oh yeah. They push our nanotechnology to where they would want it ( by Roswell ). That also have brains ( look into my posts ) which have thown out the GHz processing. It's beyond our process which we have in our computers today. But were close to rewriting our computers!

Look in: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3354/ neural.html

'John Lewis' wrote ..

And dishonorable UFO debunkers keep asking for the 'physical evidence'.

It is ridiculous asking for such once it is realized that the tech was made classified from our own government, and military in 1952.

How so?

No one has yet offered any reasons why the 'Human Classified UFO Technology' could remotely be false!!

Gee I must have missed it.

The 'Human Classified UFO tchnology' notion has yet to be remotely made implausible.

Hey John, give it a go!!

Indeed. Actually it would take only about 1000, and any one given point in time.

So!!!!! Is this your argumen???!!!

Because no one has broken ranks on the tech that was made classified in 1952, and no one has told you, so you think it is not possible??

That's not an argument John.

Exactly. This has been most trivial, since 1952.

This is exactly what the illegal creattion of the National Security Agency in 1952 was created for. Being created via presidential directive, they legally have to answer to no one period.

First, the suppresion of the physics is _BUILT INTO_ mainstream science.

This has been even MORE trivial blaming good old Mr. ET for the tech.

Second, there are no (or very little) un-friendly nations.

Nonsense!

Open your eyes John! It is done!

What does your car run on???

For god sakes we still burn fossile fuels, to make a fire, to boil water, to make steam, to turn turbines, to generate electric power.

Also, we have no real enemies.

This is a joke.

If the cat was let out of the bag, their would be hell to pay.

You think that a 1000 people, and a few hundred man made UFO crafts can take over 6 billion people? I think not!!

The technology would eventually be proliferated, and owners of this tech would be in control of squat.

How so.

You have yet to provide ONE TINY example of why it would not.

Everything, every last detail is in place to keep these crafts classified, and fictitious visiting aliens is the perfect red herring, especially for those who know that these crafts exist.

Come on John.

You can do better than this I hope.

Your argument boils down to: 'Since I have not heard about, humans must not have UFO tech'.

This is a joke!

It has been trivial suppressing the physics, it has been trivial keeping the tech classified (once the NSA was created), it has been trivial blaming good old Mr. ET for those who have seen this tech.

John, I need a _real_ argument against the 'Human Classified UFO Technology' notion.

Claiming ignorance is certainly NO

B-b-but that's the keystone of most 'debunking' arguments!

'The_Sage' wrote ...

Get real Sage.

The 'Human Classified UFO Technology' notion defends itself.

So far it is bullet proof!

We are talking heavy duty kevlar!

Because no one informed you of this classified technology. It does not exist??

This is joke. It is not an argument Sage buddy, it is claiming ignorance.

Okay.

Done!

Claiming ignorance of classified technology is not an argument!

The 1952 creation of the NSA was brilliantly done to do just this.

Sage, read my these words:

C L A S S I F I E D I N F O R M A T I O N

Our military does not have knowledge ot the use of this tech. By creating the NSA via presidential directive (quite illegally I might add), it has been ULTRA trivial keeping the tech classified.

We did not need this tech in the gulf war or any war since 1952.

Or the lack of, yes.

Without a scapegoat, believe me, the shit would hit the fan.

Since post WW2 there have been enough close range, visually identified, disc-shape (and other shaped) UFO type vehicles that no one can honestly suggest that the crafts do not exist.

Which is EXACTLY why in UFOlogy all we have is blame put on Mr. ET, and the debunkers complete and total denial.

Nonsense.

What did kenneth Arnold see, and Lonnie Zamora, and the police and citizens of Trumbull County Ohio, and the Allagash four, and citizens and police in Illinois a few years back, etc, etc, etc. This list is HUGE. Close range visually indentified as having 'specific physiscal strucrture' disc-shaped and other shaped crafts.

The true game has been good old Mr. ET _AND_ the incompetent UFO denial of the mere existence of such craft.

Exaclty my point. This is what the UFO debunkers have done for FIFTY YEARS.

All the facets are covered with the 'Human Classified UFO Technology' notion!!

Go ahead, find a kink in the armour.

Come Sage ol buddy you are gonna come up with a real argument, I hope. Right??

Claiming ignorance of CLASSIFIED INFORMATION is no argument.

Once again, you have NOTHING for this notion. It is bullet proof dude, and you know it.

I think it is time for you to invoke UFO debunker tactic 3-5.

Exactly!!!

It has been the UFO debunkers ONLY argument for over fifty years.

Sage and John, once again you have no REAL arguments for the 'Human Classified UFO Technology' notion.

First you choose to deny the evidence which is the many many post WW2 observations, by multiple individuals, at different locations, close range, visually identified accounts of these crafts.

Then when you are informed that these crafts are the result of pure human creativity, innovation and ingenuity, you choose argue that humans cannot have such tech, because this tech and the crafts are not publicly known.

You have circular arguments!!!

You have no argument.

You have ignorance of the physical realities and create you own little world of DENIAL!

The real debate is: Was it a good decision to keep this tech classified, kept classified from the public and our own government and military?

If youy can not find a kink in the 'Human Classified UFO Technology' notion, the you must address this query.

So far both of you have NOTHING for me. But I'll wait maybe you can think of some REAL argument.

Til then, do you know who Walter Bedell Smith is, and what he did in 1945, what he did in 46 - 47, and 50 - 53??

Good day gents.

There is gonna be a quiz, so lets get these dates accurate:

Do you know who Walter Bedell Smith is and what he did in 1943 and 1945 while out of this country? And what he did between 1946 and 1949? And what he did between 1950 and 1953?

Are you aware of the memo he wrote in December 10, 1951?

Do ya'll know what the 'Brownell Committee Report' is?

Do you know who Herbert Brownell actually worked for and who interests he represented?

Well, you seem to think that dressing up like a woman can make you feel good about yourself....