Being a UFO Debunker means never having to make any sense

Being a Debunker means never having to say you're sorry, or even making a lick of sense! Sage advice by John F. Schuessler

Debunkers: I have heard it said that the most frustrating and least useful aspect of ufology is the machinations of the debunkers. Debunkers are experts at the use of disinformation, misinformation, and propaganda. They provide prosaic explanations for everything. If the first story gets challenged, they simply generate another story and do not even apologize for changing their position. No information or data supplied by the ufologist is ever good enough for them. Truth, honesty, ethics and things like that are foreign to their way of operating because it might erode their position. They seldom do real investigations.

Most of their explanations are canned and used over and over so that they do not feel it necessary to do investigations. All this is very frustrating to the ufologists that conduct extensive investigations, record every little detail of a UFO incident, assemble statistics, maintain vast databases, and probably most of all, respect the good and honest witnesses who report their UFO incidents.

Perhaps it would help ufologists to deal with the debunkers if they understood why the debunkers act in such a manner. This is best described in The Argument Culture, a book by Georgetown University professor Deborah Tannen. These machinations are an example of what the cultural linguist Walter Ong calls 'agonism' or 'programmed contentiousness.' Agonism does not refer to disagreement, conflict, or vigorous dispute. It refers to ritualized opposition.

Professor Tannen says: 'The way we train our students, conduct our classes and our research, and exchange ideas at meetings and in print are all driven by our ideological assumption that intellectual inquiry is a metaphorical battle. Following from that is a second assumption, that the best way to demonstrate intellectual prowess is to criticize, find fault, and attack.' Further, she says: 'Many aspects of our academic lives can be described as agonistic. For example, in our scholarly papers, most of us follow a conventional framework that requires us to position our work in opposition to someone else's, which we prove wrong.

The framework tempts, almost requires us to oversimplify or even misrepresent others' positions; cite the weakest example to make a generally reasonable work appear less so; and ignore facts that support other's views, citing only evidence that supports our own positions.'

This approach 'fosters a stance of arrogance and narrow-mindedness.' There is much more of value in The Argument Culture, but in these few words, I believe Professor Tannen has clearly exposed the operating technique used by most debunkers. With this information in mind, it is fairly obvious that we are stuck with a continuing tirade by the debunkers and it will continue until they all die off. They are unable to change, they are programmed to act as they do.

Fortunately, most ufologists have no desire to play the debunkers game. Programmed contentiousness is viewed as dishonest, unfair and unethical. It puts an end to exploring ideas, uncovering nuances, comparing and contrasting different interpretations of a particular work, and gaining a deeper and more accurate understanding of the material. It kills the quest for open-minded inquiry.

Even knowing all of this, ufologists still allow themselves to be stressed by the actions of debunkers. A good investigator is likely to be provoked by a debunker's announcement that a certain UFO was actually Venus when everyone knows that Venus was not visible at the time. A debunker's demand for 'all of your investigative files so I can identify the UFO,' is another provoking ploy. They play on your ego by saying 'I have never seen any credible evidence of a UFO,' hoping you will try to provide some evidence that will convince them. Will it convince them? No! Their debunker's pre-subscribed dogma will not allow it. If all else fails, they will claim it is your responsibility as an investigator to respond to their demands. Don't fall for that ploy. Only you and the organization you represent can define your responsibilities.

A formula for avoiding stress caused by the actions of the debunkers is to follow industry's lead in looking for 'value added' in any interchange or effort. If there is nothing to be gained from responding to them, then don't do it. Apply your energies where they will make a difference. Don't play their game. It takes two to make a game and if you do not respond to their provocation, then they do not have a game. They lose and you are not stressed.

Can anybody provide a documented example where this actually happened?

For this you get paid $5 million per year, sheesh!

This was Phil's excuse about the police UFO sighting on Jan. 5, 2000. That was a multiple witnessed sighting through many states. Call you pals at NASA for a hard copy and send one to us.

Reports of giant, silent-running triangular or 'boomerang' shaped aircraft have become almost commonplace throughout the world. But that doesn't mean they're explainable. It doesn't even mean they officially exist. But to the growing number of witnesses, there's no doubt these huge, mysterious objects are really there. Among the latest witnesses, count at least four on-duty police officers from Illinois towns just east of St. Louis.

The new year's first UFO event to gain national attention in the U.S. took place in the early morning hours of Wednesday, January 5. The first known witness to see the huge aircraft was Melvern Noll, operator of a miniature golf course in the town of Highland, Madison County, Illinois. Noll was out on his course at about 4 a.m. that morning when the UFO flew directly overhead. He said it was moving very slowly and seemed no more than 1,000 feet above him. It had two rows of windows along the sides and red light was glowing from the interior, he said.

'It was all lighted up and so low that someone could have waved at me out the window,' Noll later told reporters. He quickly drove to the Highland Police Department and asked the dispatcher to contact police in Lebanon, about 12 miles to the southwest in St. Claire

Adolph 'I like concentration camps' Wholeflaffer wrote:

Shutup Adolph. We know you are not even real, and that everyone here takes turns posting as 'Wholeflaffer', remember..... the BC/AC/DC erols thing told and she says she never lies. So, whose turn is it to be Wholeflaffer this week?

Well I was Holeflapper last week, so it has to be someone else's turn this week.

Harry

Please leave these groups, Shitman. You are in violation of your internet contract.

Companies Affiliated With Concentration Camps

From 'Chronique de la Seconde Guerre mondiale, eds Chronique 1990. Annexe 3 page 690. Scan for the famous companies both inside and outside of Germany, including the U.S.

Industry in the Third Reich and the work-force of deportees:

In CAP-s is given the company name * -denotes the name of the Camp, followed by the name of the town or location where the work was done.

ADLER SA *Natzwiller-Struthof Frankfurt-Am-Main

AEG *Stutthof Thorn-Torun *Riga-Kaiserwald

ASTRA *Flossenburg Chemnitz

AUTO-UNION *Flossenburg Hohenstein-Ernstthal Zschopau Zwickau

BMW *Buchenwald and Dora-Mittelbau Abteroda Eisenach-Thuer *Dachau Ellach Blaichach Kaufbeuren Lochhausen Moosach *Natzwiller-Struthof Geisenheim *Papenburg Rastdorf-am-Werlte *Sachsenhausen Konigswusterhausen

MESSERSCMITT *Dachau Asbach-Baumerheim Augsburg Augsburg-Pfersee Burgau Durach-Kottern Fischen Gablingen Horgau-Pfersee Kaufering Moosach *Flossenburg Joanngergenstadt *Mauthausen Camp Central

METALL UNION Auschwitz-Oswiecim Camp Central

OPTA RADIO *Flossenburg Wolkenburg

OPTIQUE IENA *Buchenwald and Dora-Mittelbau Weimar-Fischtenheim

PHOTO AGFA *Dachau Munich

PUCH *Mauthausen Graz

RHEINMETALL BORSIG AG *Buchenwald and Dora Mittelbau Dusseldorf

SHELL *Neuengamme Hamburg Geilenburgh

SCHNEIDER *Buchenwald and Dora-Mittelbau Leipzig-Lindenthal Meuselwitz Raucha

SIEMENS *Auschwitz-Oswiecim Bobrek Trostberg

DAIMLER BENZ *Schirmeck (At the Rhine) Haslach

ORNIER *Dachau Aufkirch-Kaufbeuren Kaufering Trutzkirch-Titzing

ERLA *Buchenwald and Dora-Mittelbau Thekla/Leipzig Leipzig-Lindenthal *Flossenburg Mulchen-Psankt-Micheln

FORD *Buchenwald and Dora-Mittelbau Cologne Fordwerke

GOLDSCHMITT *Gross-Rosen Langenbielau-Bielwa

HEINKEL *Buchenwald and Dora - Mittelbau Gandersheim *Mauthausen Wien-Schwechat *Natzwiller-Struthof (at the Rhine) Zuffenhausen *Ravensbruck Barth/Ostsee *Berlin-Shonefeld *Rostock-Marienehe *Schwarzenforst *Sachsenhausen Oranienburg

I.G. FARBEN INDUSTRIES *Auschwitz-Oswiecim Camp Central *Buchenwald and Dora-Mittelbau Wolfen-Bitterfeld *Gross-Rosen Waldenburg

JUNKER *Buchenwald and Dora-Mittelbau Aschersleben Helberstadt Tarthun

KRUPP *Buchenwald and Dora-Mittelbau Essen *Gross-Rosen Langenbielau-Bielawa Markstadt-Laskowitz *Flossenburg Nuremberg *Ravensbruck Camp Central *Furstenberg *Neubranbdenburg

OLVAY *Buchenwald and Dora-Mittelbau Bernburg

STEYR *Mauthausen Aflens Steyr-Municholz *Radom

TELEFUNKEN *Gross-Rosen Langenbielau-Bielawa

VALENTIN *Neuengamme Brema-Farge

VISTRA *Buchenwald and Dora-Mittelbau Wolfen-Bitterfeld

VOLKSWAGEN *Neuegamme Fallersleben Wolfsburg

ZEISS-IKON *Flossenburg Dresden

ZEITZ *Buchenwald and Dora-Mittelbau Gleina 'Willy'

ZEPPELIN *Dachau

Can I be Flaffer next week? It shouldn't take much time to dredge up some five year old posts to stick up here.

I can put up that one about the nameless civilian air traffic controller who was always informed by the nearby military base about all the ultra secret test flights. That's always good for a laugh.

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Yo Adolph: This list you posted only shows the kind of companies that people like you, who support the idea of concentration camps, might envy. Remember, you are the only one posting here who likes the idea of using camps to enslave people you disagree

Gutting knife works fine.

Hell, disagree

Hey Artie Stress this you paranoid idiot

Your Buddy Hugh